yadkin

Sorry edge. All legit companies and commercial flat roofs. You would definitely be on the books

fiesta,

thanks for agreeing with me and the notion of how raising the minimum wage will only give them a boost until the domino effect kicks them back down to the lowest rung :)

so do these roofing companies pay in cash? I'll forgo the insurance benefits as i'm already covered from the spouse... and cash would be handy now.

i've got sunscreen and a 21oz hammer ready to go :) yes, i'm curious and interested but need to stay off the books so i don't affect her taxes - don't want to sleep in a tent lol.

edge

This forum topic has totally lost it's way.

The post was not about McDonalds or any other fast food joint. It asked the question as to why those who do not get a proper education should expect to earn as much as those with college degrees. Those who marry as teenagers with less than a high school degree or only a high school degree often start out behind and often stay behind their whole lives.

Other reason for income inequality are, an inability to work in a structured environment due to pyschological issues, Job hopping, inability or unwillingness to move where the jobs are. Not willing to put forth physical labor, lazy, wanting a free lunch. There are four generations locally who have lived off of welfare without a single one getting a high school degree. Do they deserve equality?

This is what the post asked:

Some tattoos and some piercings will help get job promotions and raises, right? And a couple of babies out of wedlock? Or being garnished for child support will please your employer while the employer does all the paperwork involved in the garnishment?
These are good things leading to better incomes?

Simple answer to a simple statement is it just dont work that way.

well if fast food workers now get $15 an hour, doubling their pay... then fine. Let's just double every else's pay. Equitable.

Now your combo with the red clown is going to cost you $13. And that happy meal what now, $10?

Your co-pay is now doubled. Movie tickets are now $30. Gasoline is now $7.35 a gallon.

Have fun. Sorry but if you didn't listen to what everyone said when you were in high school, and didn't care about your grades, or liked to party in your 20's (or now still) then you reap what you sow. Don't like your $7 an hour? Tough. You earned it. Your fault.

Yes, it is ALSO wrong that you can't pay most of your bills on that $7 an hour as things are way too expensive and companies are making lots of money. But stop paying for DISH satellite TV, and buying XBOX's. You don't need those things.

I hear stories in the 60's about people living in "communes". Maybe this is why? They didn't want to pay for expensive things so they pulled their resources?

Bottom line if fast food workers get a raise, then so should everyone else. It's only fair

If a franchisee wishes to know how much an employee makez the company, they can take into account their avg check, customer commentary, as well as hours worked. Customers will tell whether or not they like a worker.

Exactly. An example of a busy fast food joint. Most don't make that much proving the point even more solidly. The ones with less employees have even less cash flow to work worth. Minimum wage jobs pay what they do for a reason. It is what the job is worth to the owner and for that matter, the employee too or else they wouldn't be there.

The 50K a week was just an example. Someone would have to give us an exact figure. I do know that pizza joints hardly have 2 bucks in a large pizza.

Kat.

I honestly figured they had less now. When I was there Arby's, bojangles, Wendy's, Cracker Barrel, and maybe some others were not there so mcdonalds got almost all the interstate business. Now it is split more.

Mommotwo.

Okay. Now take that left over roughly $200 per hour after payroll and deduct insurance, power, and payments on a multimillion dollar loan. You still also have to pay for the food itself and probably 10% of sales franchise fee. Then the owner will start seeing a profit. When you break down the numbers food service businesses don't make huge profits at the store level until the original loan is paid off. Especially when you consider the amount of capital the owner is risking (for most if it fails they risk personal bankruptcy and losing everything. Another reason they deserve more money than the person risking nothing). Now all things considered plus the fact that total job training for most of those positions can be done in one day, those jobs are worth minimum wage.

If you start wanting to quote the CEOs pay you have to take into account most of McDonald's corporation money comes from franchisees. They own stores but most are owned by the franchisee. Also it takes years of experience and skill building to do his job. He is worth much more pay because he makes McDonald's corporation so much more money.

Fiesta, you can't apply that logic when you figure how much each employee earned for the company. Apparently some employees would have only worked 10-15 hours per week so their share would be considerably less. You would need to take the total earned (and I'm just using your figures because I have no idea) and divide it by the hours worked and then divide by the number of employees typically working at any given time. So, if the company worked 24 hours a day every day they would average 296.80 per hour. If they had an average of 11 people working at all times and paid them $9.00 per hour then that would be $99.00 per hour in wages. I think we all know that they probably don't pay them 9.00 per hour and in all actually they don't work 24 hours a day and don't have 11 there at all hours so what I did distorted their earnings somewhat. Actually the company would be making more per hour.

How much do you think the gov has to dole out (and remember gov is broke..we owe, we owe)
to these workers ---who are making minimum wage -- to supplement food, health care, etc? I will bet it adds up to a helluva lot more than if McDonald's paid a decent wage.
Anymore, albeit sad, even college grads end up with minimum wage jobs. Times have changed, and it ain't for the better.

Fiesta is telling the truth about the 150 employees. I varified it with a friend who is a manager at mcd's andhas been with the ccompany for years. Apparently 90% of the workers at Jonesville are part time. They keep so many there in order to make sure nobody gets the hours needed to qualify for insurance. Pilot mtn has approx 75 employees for the same reason. The only reason the mcds I worked for had fewer people was because the owner only had the one store and he kept the number of employees down so he qualified as a small business and was therefore exempt for providing ins to full time employees.

I gave up arguing with ignorance already. Believe what you want. Fast food jobs are paid minimum wage because that is what they are worth. A basic business understanding proves it out.

Ya got caught blowing smoke fiesta, give it up. LOL

Kat

Congrats on getting your degree. You will never go wrong investing in yourself. I have worked below my degree too but it will pay off in the long run.

As far as employees maybe it is just the locations. Jonesville on the side of 77 was always busy. We never closed with less than 5 and usually 7 employees. I worked at Elkin for over a year too but it was smaller. I don't know the number of employees.

I would hate to see their labor if they were working all 150 of those employees. Mcds usually likes to keep the labor at 23 to 25. As for 3 shifts the night shift usually only consists of 3 workers tops. Granted that during peak periods we can have as many as15 on the clock but still the mcd where I worked never had more than 40 employees at any one time.

You were told once already. Work on your comprehension skills. The McDonald's in Jonesville (a busy restaurant) opened in the early nineties with 150 employees and maintained that rate as long as I was there. Three cashiers in front, two on the drive thru, about four in the kitchen, a manager and lobby person equals about 11 at pretty much all times. Three complete shifts each day and different weekend shift workers plus part timers. Come on people. Let's use some common sense here.

kat~I wish you good luck.